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All Aboard! Me2B Membership effective next week

Lisa LeVasseur
 

Hi Friends,

One week from today, the Me2B Alliance will be transitioning to a membership organization. What this means for you, as part of the Alliance community, is an opportunity to become an influential voice in the respectful technology movement. 

 

Starting October 26, all Alliance work will be taking place in the membership portal. 

To remain active in the Alliance community, please become a member before October 26.  

 

Better yet, join today!

 

For your convenience, here’s the link on the new Me2BA.org website: https://me2ba.org/membership/

After you receive your membership login information, be sure to sign up for all the working groups you want to participate in--and don't forget ticking the box for All Members.  (We will automate this in the future.)  

Starting next week, all WG meetings will shift to a new conferencing platform, which you can view in the membership portal (members will also receive meeting invites next week and going forward).

 

We look forward to seeing you in the new membership portal very soon.

 

Lisa LeVasseur

Executive Director


Global Privacy Control -> W3C work

Lisa LeVasseur
 

Hi friends,

If you're interested in getting involved in the Global Privacy Control Spec, you can join the W3C Privacy CG https://www.w3.org/community/privacycg/, and participate in the GPC discussion here:  https://github.com/privacycg/proposals/issues/10 

I sent my concerns to the Certification WG last week so won't repeat them all here. 

My main problem with the spec is that it is functionally an opt out--meaning that the individual must take an action to deliberately opt out of selling data.  Once again, the burden is put on the individual.

A central thesis in CCPA and the folks drafting the spec seems to be that "Privacy by default is great but has even more legal teeth with this preference chosen explicitly." [quote from issue in github by Henry Lou]

Richard and I discussed this a bit earlier in the year, and I'm still confused about the legal foundation for this assertion, and why it's being framed like this.  Wouldn't Privacy by default be kinder, and more respectful? Better? 

In any case, I highly encourage you to get involved directly in the work.  (Because there's a lot of interesting stuff happening in the Privacy CG.)

Lisa







All Aboard! Me2B Alliance Membership Countdown

Lisa LeVasseur
 

Two weeks from today, the Me2B Alliance will be transitioning to a membership organization. What this means for you, as part of the Alliance community, is an opportunity to become an influential voice in the respectful technology movement. 

 

Starting October 22, all Alliance work will be taking place in the membership portal. 

To remain active in the Alliance community, please become a member before October 22.  

 

Better yet, join today!

 

For your convenience, here’s the link on the new Me2BA.org website: https://me2ba.org/membership/

 

We look forward to seeing you very soon.

 

Lisa LeVasseur

Executive Director

 


Me2B Alliance Monthly Call - Mon, 10/05/2020 8:00am-9:00am #cal-reminder

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Re: Reminder: Me2B Full Alliance meeting tomorrow morning at 8am PDT

Doc Searls
 

Just ran across this: https://www.datapolicytrust.com/

Might be interesting.

Doc

On Oct 4, 2020, at 4:05 PM, Lisa LeVasseur <lisa.levasseur@...> wrote:

Hi friends,
 
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Reminder: Me2B Full Alliance meeting tomorrow morning at 8am PDT

Lisa LeVasseur
 

Hi friends,

 

Please join me tomorrow for our bi-monthly full alliance call at 8am PDT where I’ll share exciting news about our transition to membership.

 

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Re: Welcome New Board Member Sheryl Wilkerson

Juliet Okafor
 

Welcome, Sheryl. 

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From: main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io <main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io> on behalf of Sheryl Wilkerson via groups.io <wilkersonsheryl@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 5:55:42 AM
To: main@me2balliance.groups.io <main@me2balliance.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Me2BAlliance] Welcome New Board Member Sheryl Wilkerson
 
Thank you. I appreciate the welcome and look forward to working with you.

Regards,
Sheryl 

M:703.855.1208

On Sep 26, 2020, at 4:10 AM, Iain Henderson <iain.henderson@...> wrote:


Welcome onboard Sheryl.

Iain

On 25 Sep 2020, at 23:00, Lisa LeVasseur <lisa.levasseur@...> wrote:



Dear Community,

 

I’m delighted to announce the addition of a new Board Member to the Me2B Alliance, Sheryl Wilkerson.  Thought we’d let Sheryl introduce herself in her own words (below). 

 

Welcome aboard, Sheryl!

 

"Personal data is one our most valuable assets and plays an increasingly important role in our economy and connected lives.  I've spent most of my career advocating for companies that develop and deploy innovative technologies that improve quality of life for people.  I believe in access to technology for all, but also the right to privacy, consent, transparency, good stewardship practices, and accountability in how my personal data and information is managed.  I know first-hand the devastating impact that privacy failures and intentional breaches can have on your life. 

As a lawyer, I am excited about public policy and efforts underway to establish more fulsome data protections.  As an entrepreneur, I've seen how technology can harvest data to democratize opportunity and level the playing field for underserved segments of society.  As a public servant, I understand the need to protect the public interest while enabling business growth and prudent use of data. As a private employee, I understand the immense responsibility companies have to ensure the fair provisioning of e-commerce services. 

I'm pleased to serve on the Board of the Me2B Alliance which is working with some of the most committed experts and knowledgeable thought leaders to develop standards for respectful technology that will create a fair and balanced future for those who use it."

 

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Re: Welcome New Board Member Sheryl Wilkerson

Sheryl Wilkerson
 

Thank you. I appreciate the welcome and look forward to working with you.

Regards,
Sheryl 

M:703.855.1208

On Sep 26, 2020, at 4:10 AM, Iain Henderson <iain.henderson@...> wrote:


Welcome onboard Sheryl.

Iain

On 25 Sep 2020, at 23:00, Lisa LeVasseur <lisa.levasseur@...> wrote:



Dear Community,

 

I’m delighted to announce the addition of a new Board Member to the Me2B Alliance, Sheryl Wilkerson.  Thought we’d let Sheryl introduce herself in her own words (below). 

 

Welcome aboard, Sheryl!

 

"Personal data is one our most valuable assets and plays an increasingly important role in our economy and connected lives.  I've spent most of my career advocating for companies that develop and deploy innovative technologies that improve quality of life for people.  I believe in access to technology for all, but also the right to privacy, consent, transparency, good stewardship practices, and accountability in how my personal data and information is managed.  I know first-hand the devastating impact that privacy failures and intentional breaches can have on your life. 

As a lawyer, I am excited about public policy and efforts underway to establish more fulsome data protections.  As an entrepreneur, I've seen how technology can harvest data to democratize opportunity and level the playing field for underserved segments of society.  As a public servant, I understand the need to protect the public interest while enabling business growth and prudent use of data. As a private employee, I understand the immense responsibility companies have to ensure the fair provisioning of e-commerce services. 

I'm pleased to serve on the Board of the Me2B Alliance which is working with some of the most committed experts and knowledgeable thought leaders to develop standards for respectful technology that will create a fair and balanced future for those who use it."

 

<Wilkerson_Sheryl.jpg>


Re: Welcome New Board Member Sheryl Wilkerson

Iain Henderson
 

Welcome onboard Sheryl.

Iain

On 25 Sep 2020, at 23:00, Lisa LeVasseur <lisa.levasseur@...> wrote:



Dear Community,

 

I’m delighted to announce the addition of a new Board Member to the Me2B Alliance, Sheryl Wilkerson.  Thought we’d let Sheryl introduce herself in her own words (below). 

 

Welcome aboard, Sheryl!

 

"Personal data is one our most valuable assets and plays an increasingly important role in our economy and connected lives.  I've spent most of my career advocating for companies that develop and deploy innovative technologies that improve quality of life for people.  I believe in access to technology for all, but also the right to privacy, consent, transparency, good stewardship practices, and accountability in how my personal data and information is managed.  I know first-hand the devastating impact that privacy failures and intentional breaches can have on your life. 

As a lawyer, I am excited about public policy and efforts underway to establish more fulsome data protections.  As an entrepreneur, I've seen how technology can harvest data to democratize opportunity and level the playing field for underserved segments of society.  As a public servant, I understand the need to protect the public interest while enabling business growth and prudent use of data. As a private employee, I understand the immense responsibility companies have to ensure the fair provisioning of e-commerce services. 

I'm pleased to serve on the Board of the Me2B Alliance which is working with some of the most committed experts and knowledgeable thought leaders to develop standards for respectful technology that will create a fair and balanced future for those who use it."

 

<Wilkerson_Sheryl.jpg>


Welcome New Board Member Sheryl Wilkerson

Lisa LeVasseur
 

Dear Community,

 

I’m delighted to announce the addition of a new Board Member to the Me2B Alliance, Sheryl Wilkerson.  Thought we’d let Sheryl introduce herself in her own words (below). 

 

Welcome aboard, Sheryl!

 

"Personal data is one our most valuable assets and plays an increasingly important role in our economy and connected lives.  I've spent most of my career advocating for companies that develop and deploy innovative technologies that improve quality of life for people.  I believe in access to technology for all, but also the right to privacy, consent, transparency, good stewardship practices, and accountability in how my personal data and information is managed.  I know first-hand the devastating impact that privacy failures and intentional breaches can have on your life. 

As a lawyer, I am excited about public policy and efforts underway to establish more fulsome data protections.  As an entrepreneur, I've seen how technology can harvest data to democratize opportunity and level the playing field for underserved segments of society.  As a public servant, I understand the need to protect the public interest while enabling business growth and prudent use of data. As a private employee, I understand the immense responsibility companies have to ensure the fair provisioning of e-commerce services. 

I'm pleased to serve on the Board of the Me2B Alliance which is working with some of the most committed experts and knowledgeable thought leaders to develop standards for respectful technology that will create a fair and balanced future for those who use it."

 


Re: Introducing new co-chair for the Me-s WG

Zach Edwards
 

Thanks for the introduction, Lisa.

It's great to meet you, Muriel!

We've got lots to learn and many discussions ahead about the impacts of technology on Me's, and thank you for all your work and leadership to get us there!

Looking forward to speaking soon,

Sincerely,
Zach





On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 3:06 PM Lisa LeVasseur <lisa.levasseur@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I’m delighted to introduce you all to Muriel Shockley who has volunteered to co-chair the Me-s WG with Jeff Orgel.

 

Muriel is the program director for undergraduate studies at Goddard College in Vermont, and has a rich background of skills and expertise, with a BS in Econ from Smith College, a masters in Clinical Psychology from Antioch University and a PhD in Leadership and Change from Antioch University.  We are fortunate indeed to have Muriel engaged as a co-chair of the Me-s working group.

 

Please join me in welcoming Muriel to the Me2B Alliance family.

 

Lisa



--
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Introducing new co-chair for the Me-s WG

Lisa LeVasseur
 

Hi everyone,

 

I’m delighted to introduce you all to Muriel Shockley who has volunteered to co-chair the Me-s WG with Jeff Orgel.

 

Muriel is the program director for undergraduate studies at Goddard College in Vermont, and has a rich background of skills and expertise, with a BS in Econ from Smith College, a masters in Clinical Psychology from Antioch University and a PhD in Leadership and Change from Antioch University.  We are fortunate indeed to have Muriel engaged as a co-chair of the Me-s working group.

 

Please join me in welcoming Muriel to the Me2B Alliance family.

 

Lisa


Re: Selling personal data -- an experiment

Iain Henderson
 

Hi James, I think that particular one is around complexity. They know that they cannot serve the needs of those looking for complex products very well with only a single white box to fill in. So they make more money by doing that hand-off to someone who is more geared up to do so.

Google have dabbled in the space over the years with various ‘offers’ services or comparison shopping but they are not as yet that big in those areas.

Iain

On 8 Sep 2020, at 08:09, James A (One.Thing.Less) <James@...> wrote:

@Iain and others – why do you think that the big players (Google, Facebook etc.) are not (yet) doing too much in those spaces and leave quite some money on the table for intermediaries? Reputational concerns, regulatory concerns, complexity…?
 
 
From: <main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io> on behalf of "Iain Henderson via groups.io" <iain.henderson@...>
Reply to: "main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io" <main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, 25 July 2020 at 20:45
To: "main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io" <main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Me2BAlliance] Selling personal data -- an experiment
 
Agreed James, although I suspect the steady state for ‘considered purchases’ won’t need/ benefit from intermediaries. Individuals (demand) will have standardised API’s as will the manufacturers, distributors and retailers (supply).
 
If you look at considered purchases in more detail, Google, Facebook and Amazon don’t actually try to do too much in those spaces other than hand off to sector level experts after the search phase. For example, if you do a google search for ’new car’ you get intermediaries at the top of the list as below. Behind the scenes the manufacturers are happy to let the intermediaries separate the wheat from the chaff (unless the search mentions them specifically).
 
Iain
 
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On 25 Jul 2020, at 12:06, James A (One.Thing.Less) <James@...> wrote:
 
I agree with Iain‘s example below. One of the most difficult aspects to address though will be how to overcome the market dominance of the established players (e.g. Google, Facebook, Amazon). Under pressure they could offer a functionality as part of their services where a Me can do better intent casting (potentially also incentivized as they have deep pockets) and at the same time offer the B‘s an integrated solution that tracks the successful conversions.
 
Concrete example: Google offers a Me looking for a car (based on browsing behavior) USD 10 to participate in a 10-20 question survey regarding the details of the Me‘s car requirement (spec, brands, timing, budget etc.) and consent to share with car manufacturers / retailers. Then Google offers that information and the possibility to hand in an offer for USD 20 to 20 manufacturers and 20 car dealers, making USD 400 in revenues with that bit of information if everyone buys. Google might even use AI to browse the online inventories of manufacturers and retailers to select only those who would love to get a car (working capital) off their lot ASAP... 
 
It would be very hard (but not impossible with the right financial backing) to compete with the big ones, ending most likely in an acquisition by one of the big players and being integrated in Google search...
 
My 2 cents.
James
 
 

On 25 Jul 2020, at 01:16, Iain Henderson via groups.io<iain.henderson@...> wrote:

I’d disagree, it is very easy to illustrate what is currently happening in the market and how that can be bettered. 
 
That said, I think selling personal data is the wrong framing; that’s not how it is going to work. It will work through reciprocity - i.e. mutually beneficial relationships.
 
* Who are you? (Industry, product, …)
 
I am a mid range, mass market car manufacturer, currently paying a range of intermediaries between £100 and £200 per qualified lead; i.e. people who are actively in the market for things like that which I sell.

* What data do you want to buy from me?
 
I want to buy the details of your requirement (spec, timing, optional points, price sensitivity)

* How is receiving that data from me materially going to improve your business? 
 
If you can get me that data either ’same data bit cheaper’, or ‘better data, same price’ or, ‘much more qualifying data at higher price’ then it would be economically stupid of me not to buy from you.

* How is buying that data from me better for you than the alternatives? (e.g. asking nicely :-))
 
As above - same date but cheaper, or better data same price; or much better data, higher price 

* How are you avoiding being gamed?
 
I only pay out when the purchase has been made and verified (either through myself or a competitor)
 
I could fill in the above very easily for about 30 different sectors in which paying for qualified leads is absolutely business as usual.
 
This article might be also useful background.
 
 
Cheers
 
Iain
 
 


On 24 Jul 2020, at 23:58, Milton Pedraza <mpedraza@...> wrote:
 
Three aren’t any. It’s up to us to step up and create them for people. 
 
Milton Pedraza 
CEO
Luxury Institute, LLC
917-657-4988
 


On Jul 24, 2020, at 6:51 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst@...> wrote:

To shed some light about the viability of selling personal data, on a non-trivial scale, by “consumers" to one or more “vendors" — which I think is the scenario being discussed — I suggest a thought experiment.

Let’s say I am willing to sell my personal data (I’m not, but let’s assume I am), any of it, as long as the price is right.

For the purposes of this experiment, let’s also assume that there are no technical hurdles that make this impractical — all relevant data exists in electronic form, is standardized, easily shareable etc.

You are the “vendor” who wants to buy some of that personal data from me:

* Who are you? (Industry, product, …)
* What data do you want to buy from me?
* How is receiving that data from me materially going to improve your business? 
* How is buying that data from me better for you than the alternatives? (e.g. asking nicely :-))
* How are you avoiding being gamed?

I’d love to hear some compelling stories. Because so far I haven’t heard any :-)

Cheers,




Johannes.

 


Johannes Ernst
 
Encryption preferred. GPG fingerprint: 106E F92A BEBD 0C31 1DAF 7CD8 5726 2658 070F 1088
 
 
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Re: Selling personal data -- an experiment

James A (One.Thing.Less)
 

@Iain and others – why do you think that the big players (Google, Facebook etc.) are not (yet) doing too much in those spaces and leave quite some money on the table for intermediaries? Reputational concerns, regulatory concerns, complexity…?

 

 

From: <main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io> on behalf of "Iain Henderson via groups.io" <iain.henderson@...>
Reply to: "main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io" <main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, 25 July 2020 at 20:45
To: "main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io" <main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Me2BAlliance] Selling personal data -- an experiment

 

Agreed James, although I suspect the steady state for ‘considered purchases’ won’t need/ benefit from intermediaries. Individuals (demand) will have standardised API’s as will the manufacturers, distributors and retailers (supply).

 

If you look at considered purchases in more detail, Google, Facebook and Amazon don’t actually try to do too much in those spaces other than hand off to sector level experts after the search phase. For example, if you do a google search for ’new car’ you get intermediaries at the top of the list as below. Behind the scenes the manufacturers are happy to let the intermediaries separate the wheat from the chaff (unless the search mentions them specifically).

 

Iain

 



On 25 Jul 2020, at 12:06, James A (One.Thing.Less) <James@...> wrote:

 

I agree with Iain‘s example below. One of the most difficult aspects to address though will be how to overcome the market dominance of the established players (e.g. Google, Facebook, Amazon). Under pressure they could offer a functionality as part of their services where a Me can do better intent casting (potentially also incentivized as they have deep pockets) and at the same time offer the B‘s an integrated solution that tracks the successful conversions.

 

Concrete example: Google offers a Me looking for a car (based on browsing behavior) USD 10 to participate in a 10-20 question survey regarding the details of the Me‘s car requirement (spec, brands, timing, budget etc.) and consent to share with car manufacturers / retailers. Then Google offers that information and the possibility to hand in an offer for USD 20 to 20 manufacturers and 20 car dealers, making USD 400 in revenues with that bit of information if everyone buys. Google might even use AI to browse the online inventories of manufacturers and retailers to select only those who would love to get a car (working capital) off their lot ASAP... 

 

It would be very hard (but not impossible with the right financial backing) to compete with the big ones, ending most likely in an acquisition by one of the big players and being integrated in Google search...

 

My 2 cents.

James

 

 

On 25 Jul 2020, at 01:16, Iain Henderson via groups.io <iain.henderson@...> wrote:

I’d disagree, it is very easy to illustrate what is currently happening in the market and how that can be bettered.

 

That said, I think selling personal data is the wrong framing; that’s not how it is going to work. It will work through reciprocity - i.e. mutually beneficial relationships.

 

* Who are you? (Industry, product, …)

 

I am a mid range, mass market car manufacturer, currently paying a range of intermediaries between £100 and £200 per qualified lead; i.e. people who are actively in the market for things like that which I sell.


* What data do you want to buy from me?

 

I want to buy the details of your requirement (spec, timing, optional points, price sensitivity)


* How is receiving that data from me materially going to improve your business? 

 

If you can get me that data either ’same data bit cheaper’, or ‘better data, same price’ or, ‘much more qualifying data at higher price’ then it would be economically stupid of me not to buy from you.


* How is buying that data from me better for you than the alternatives? (e.g. asking nicely :-))

 

As above - same date but cheaper, or better data same price; or much better data, higher price 


* How are you avoiding being gamed?

 

I only pay out when the purchase has been made and verified (either through myself or a competitor)

 

I could fill in the above very easily for about 30 different sectors in which paying for qualified leads is absolutely business as usual.

 

This article might be also useful background.

 

 

Cheers

 

Iain

 

 



On 24 Jul 2020, at 23:58, Milton Pedraza <mpedraza@...> wrote:

 

Three aren’t any. It’s up to us to step up and create them for people. 

 

Milton Pedraza

CEO

Luxury Institute, LLC

917-657-4988

 



On Jul 24, 2020, at 6:51 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst@...> wrote:

To shed some light about the viability of selling personal data, on a non-trivial scale, by “consumers" to one or more “vendors" — which I think is the scenario being discussed — I suggest a thought experiment.

Let’s say I am willing to sell my personal data (I’m not, but let’s assume I am), any of it, as long as the price is right.

For the purposes of this experiment, let’s also assume that there are no technical hurdles that make this impractical — all relevant data exists in electronic form, is standardized, easily shareable etc.

You are the “vendor” who wants to buy some of that personal data from me:

* Who are you? (Industry, product, …)
* What data do you want to buy from me?
* How is receiving that data from me materially going to improve your business? 
* How is buying that data from me better for you than the alternatives? (e.g. asking nicely :-))
* How are you avoiding being gamed?

I’d love to hear some compelling stories. Because so far I haven’t heard any :-)

Cheers,




Johannes.

 


Johannes Ernst

 

Encryption preferred. GPG fingerprint: 106E F92A BEBD 0C31 1DAF 7CD8 5726 2658 070F 1088

 

 

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No Alliance call today

Lisa LeVasseur
 

Hi Friends,

 

A friendly reminder that this month is a webinar month, which will be next Monday in light of the holiday in the US.   

 

So no monthly meeting or webinar today.  Enjoy your week!

 

Lisa


Re: Local First

Lisa LeVasseur
 

(Maybe safe to say that all 7 principles are a matter of opinion.)

 

The preference of keeping stuff local—I gotta think that’s allowed.  Maybe safe to say the principles need more contextual nuance.

 

And yeah, “ownership” is problematic.  BTW, I’ve been reading Sandra Petronio’s Communication Privacy Management  Theory and she makes clear that as soon as you disclose something, it becomes co-owned by both you and the confidant—as are the boundary management rules.  I’m finding CPM to be incredibly rich and relevant to thinking about information sharing and management (h/t to John Wunderlich for the suggestion months ago).

 

Lisa

 

From: main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io <main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eve Maler
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 6:45 PM
To: main@me2balliance.groups.io
Cc: Me2BAlliance@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Me2BAlliance] Local First

 

Some of the ideals they state are a matter of opinion (what if my privacy choice is to “trap” photos or messages on the single device where I captured them?), or dependent on the type of service (what about services that can’t function without a connection?), or specified at different levels of detail (The Long Now??). Also, “ownership” is still a fraught concept. Not to be picky, but...

Eve Maler (sent from my iPad) | cell +1 425 345 6756



On Aug 31, 2020, at 6:47 PM, Lisa LeVasseur <lisa.levasseur@...> wrote:



Hi friends,

 

I shared this in the Certification WG last week and thought it was worth sharing with the whole mail list:  https://www.inkandswitch.com/local-first.html

 

The principles in “local first” align well with Me2B principles—perhaps something we can consider in our certification.   

 

Also interesting to note that this was published over a year ago.


Lisa

 

 


Re: Ethisphere

Noreen Whysel
 

From the FAQ: The self-reported scores are combined with the qualitative assessment of an applicant company’s supplemental documentation and independent research to produce a final EQ score.

It looks like it’s primarily qualitative and based on a risk assessment process that is similar to one we used to do when I was at Price Waterhouse years ago.

Noreen


On Sep 1, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Lisa LeVasseur <lisa.levasseur@...> wrote:



Agreed.  That’s why I think it will be interesting to see how their companies do on our certification—i.e. several will fail.

 

Lisa

 

From: main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io <main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Philpin
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 4:15 PM
To: main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Me2BAlliance] Ethisphere

 

it struck me as a curious collection of companies - with some I would have thought would have been included - not … so i looked further ...

 

 

this suggests that unless you actually apply - you wont be considered - much less appear ….

 

not something that i think is a good benchmark for Me2B

 

/J

 

 



On Sep 2, 2020, at 3:48 AM, Lisa LeVasseur <lisa.levasseur@...> wrote:

 

Hi friends,

 

Found this whilst looking for something else:  https://www.worldsmostethicalcompanies.com/honorees/  

 

It will be interesting to see how our testing results relate.

 

Lisa

 


Re: Ethisphere

Lisa LeVasseur
 

Agreed.  That’s why I think it will be interesting to see how their companies do on our certification—i.e. several will fail.

 

Lisa

 

From: main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io <main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Philpin
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 4:15 PM
To: main@Me2BAlliance.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Me2BAlliance] Ethisphere

 

it struck me as a curious collection of companies - with some I would have thought would have been included - not … so i looked further ...

 

 

this suggests that unless you actually apply - you wont be considered - much less appear ….

 

not something that i think is a good benchmark for Me2B

 

/J

 

 



On Sep 2, 2020, at 3:48 AM, Lisa LeVasseur <lisa.levasseur@...> wrote:

 

Hi friends,

 

Found this whilst looking for something else:  https://www.worldsmostethicalcompanies.com/honorees/  

 

It will be interesting to see how our testing results relate.

 

Lisa

 


Re: Ethisphere

Sheryl Wilkerson
 

I concur with this assessment.

Regards,
Sheryl 

M:703.855.1208

On Sep 1, 2020, at 7:15 PM, John Philpin <john@...> wrote:

it struck me as a curious collection of companies - with some I would have thought would have been included - not … so i looked further ...


this suggests that unless you actually apply - you wont be considered - much less appear ….

not something that i think is a good benchmark for Me2B

/J



On Sep 2, 2020, at 3:48 AM, Lisa LeVasseur <lisa.levasseur@...> wrote:

Hi friends,
 
Found this whilst looking for something else:  https://www.worldsmostethicalcompanies.com/honorees/  
 
It will be interesting to see how our testing results relate.
 
Lisa


Re: Ethisphere

John Philpin
 

it struck me as a curious collection of companies - with some I would have thought would have been included - not … so i looked further ...


this suggests that unless you actually apply - you wont be considered - much less appear ….

not something that i think is a good benchmark for Me2B

/J



On Sep 2, 2020, at 3:48 AM, Lisa LeVasseur <lisa.levasseur@...> wrote:

Hi friends,
 
Found this whilst looking for something else:  https://www.worldsmostethicalcompanies.com/honorees/  
 
It will be interesting to see how our testing results relate.
 
Lisa